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« on: July 15, 2012, 10:19:43 PM » |
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I am about to print and bind my own goddamn hardcover. Kee-rist.
You'd fucking think they would jump at the opportunity to print money.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 10:45:13 PM » |
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Because they don't own the rights to the good shit, nobody quite knows who does, but probably the one guy whose consent they would need wants nothing to do with it. The bitchfest Moore threw over Before Watchmen would be dwarfed by the gasket he would blow over Marvel now owning and printing his Marvelman. He would throw Bitchapalooza.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 12:01:06 AM » |
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That's kind of the point. What use is owning the character without owning the material that makes him relevant?
And what use is owning the material that makes him relevant if you don't own the character.
And seriously, when has anybody in the industry ever given a serious fuck what Alan Moore's wishes are?
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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 12:54:06 AM » |
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Don't you?
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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 10:17:53 AM » |
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I said 'the industry'. I am the end user, not the one exploiting him. And I, too am growing weary of his primadonna act.
Besides, what is to be gained by sitting on it?
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 12:01:04 PM » |
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Marvel didn't know the lack of worth when they bought it. Turns out, the rights for the revival were dubious to begin with. Marvel probably also is in no rush to get the bad publicity DC's getting from Before Watchmen. Could be if Before Watchmen does well, they'll try harder to get it going. I know they took a bath on all the 50s reprint stuff they've put out, nobody wants that stuff. Could be they would just as soon let it sink. Using characters that came from other comic companies has never been Marvel's strong suit.
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 08:25:43 PM » |
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They also could have bought it just to keep the name away from other people. Businesses have spent far more on far less.
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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 08:29:06 PM » |
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I dunno man. 80 mil shoulda been enough to pay off everyone and their parasite lawyers to secure the rights. Sounds like a complete clusterfuck.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 08:50:33 PM » |
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Rocko, Before Watchmen is crass commercialism. Miracleman would be putting work by the author back into the hands of the fans.
Sure Marvel would profit, and Moore would rage. But if he seriously does not want his fans to read his work, he would stop writing.
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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 09:11:32 PM » |
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It's all commercialism and it's all crass, but that's beside the point. Where this particular piece of work is concerned, he would disagree with you vehemently. He would be furious if Marvel reprinted that stuff. Anybody but Marvel. When Eclipse reprinted the stuff in America and changed it to Miracleman to avoid a lawsuit, he was beside himself over it. That was his first and until recently most bitter issue. To have Marvel acquiring the work and pumping it out might actually be the final straw for him to shoot somebody.
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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 09:23:43 PM » |
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It's all commercialism and it's all crass, but that's beside the point.
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2012, 09:25:11 PM » |
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I dunno man. 80 mil shoulda been enough to pay off everyone and their parasite lawyers to secure the rights. Sounds like a complete clusterfuck.
Where'd you read about that price tag? |
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2012, 04:47:54 AM » |
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Saw that in several places. Never officially confirmed IIRC. It's been so long now I doubt I could find a link with a gun to my head. I think a fairly big chunk of it went to Mick Anglo.
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2012, 12:14:57 PM » |
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Although paying a creator for a big company like that would never happen in America, that might've happened over there. They have different rules governing that stuff, that's how Moore kept Marvel from reprinting Captain Britain for so long.
But see, here's what the problem is. When Dez Skinn put out Moore's Marvelman stuff, as it turns out, he never had the rights to the characters in the first place. He just fucking did it and didn't tell anyone otherwise. It would be like if we made a really awesome Superman story that blew everyone's minds so much that someone wanted to reprint it big time in 20 years, and they bought the rights to Superman from DC to get it. Guess what, they don't get the story we did. Who owns the story we did? Don't know. Probably us.
Now, imagine we're Alan Moore.
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2012, 12:56:31 PM » |
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Rocko's right and, to make matters worse, the MARVELMAN v2 creators had dreamed up their own right's plan regarding their work, such that they would all have to be contacted and agree to whatever new deal would come up.
It turns out the entire thing was predicated on crap: Dez just went ahead and did it.
Whoops.
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