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« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2012, 11:22:36 PM »

Yes it was, and there's a reason they made that the last shot & reveal at the DND of Season Four. You had just gotten finished cheering how he got the best of Gus Fring, how he was a badass killing the two thugs as he saved Jesse and then torched the lab. When he fucking says "I won."

And then you find out he poisoned a child.

I'll defend the actions slightly. It seemed TO ME that he "only" gambled with the kid's life, as since the kid was in the hospital, there was a reasonable chance the doctors would figure it out. I haven't rewatched Season Four yet (actually just finished Season Three this morning), so I don't recall if Walt plays any part in Jesse (erroneously) thinking the kid might have been a victim of ricin poisoning. It's when the doctors are checking into THAT, that they discover it was related to the Lily of the Valley plant.

So my rationalization is that he endangered a child's life, but didn't specifically set out to kill the boy.

I'm also not a parent, so putting a child's life at risk might not seem QUITE as horrific to me as it would for someone with a more heartfelt connection to children.

But hell, I can rationalize almost anything and be OK with it. Except ketchup on a hot dog...
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« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2012, 11:50:16 PM »

The way I have tried to rationalize it is that he would possibly know how much he could use and not kill the kid. I don't think the doctors specifically did anything to pull the kid out. Still pretty shitty though and I am rooting for Hank to catch him.  Grin

I have grown to love Hank. He is a subtly fascinating character study. At first he seems so goofy but he's a brilliant detective. He's smart, observant, thoughtful and tenacious. Beyond all that though, he understands people. He's a beast when it comes to really knowing what's going on inside a man's head. I can't wait to rewatch the series and focus more on him.
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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2012, 02:21:23 AM »

Breaking Bad, Recapping Worse: Season 5, Episode 2 "Madrigal"

I was iffy on the idea that Germans might be the new "big bad" on the show, but this is BB, so I will always give Gilligan & company the benefit of the doubt.

 

Loved that much of the episode focused on Mike.  The interrogation scene with Hank -- you know both those guys LOVED doing that scene.  Definitely one of the highlights of the show.

Any and all scenes with Bob Odenkirk are automatic gold.

Hard for me not to critique anything about any episode of Breaking Bad -- but there was one thing that bothered me.  But let me preface this with a (not-so) brief defense of Skyler White.

I've decided that -- for the most part -- I like Skyler.  Hey, she may be the only decent mom on any AMC TV show.

I'm not sure I quite get the hate some feel for her.  She's not Carmela Soprano -- she didn't know what she was getting when she married this Milquetoast chemist/teacher.  And she became an accomplice when it looked like that was the only way to keep her family together, protect her son and also keep her brother-in-law from becoming the laughing stock of the DEA.

She was a little annoying when dealing with Walt's cancer.  But it's hard to fault anyone for wanting to do anything to keep their loved one alive.  And she shows an early talent for lying when she acts her way out of the store where she's busted due to her sister's shoplifting.

Yes, those who felt ardently about Walt probably were appalled at her cheating on him.  But in all honesty, Walt's lack of honesty -- and then the actual truth -- jeez, what would one expect?

Her scenes with Saul Goodman are always priceless.  She has a better head for financial details than Walt, and SHE's the one who comes up with:
 
(1) the excuse that Walt built up a huge nest egg of money due to gambling;
(2) conning a locksmith to get into Walt's apartment when he's missing:
(3) buying the car wash where Walt used to work as a money laundering operation as opposed to the laser tag joint Saul was pushing (and grinding her heel into the former asshole owner to boot);
(4) running the car wash & doing the books to insure everything is done correctly

I suspect she does even more, but I'm only one episode into my Season Four re-watch, so I can't remember what else she may do of note that season (beyond covering for her husband).  In any case, unlike women on a lot of these shows -- she's neither an idiot or a bitch. She's not shrill or silly.  She's actually pretty smart (which makes sense -- Walt would marry an intelligent woman, after all) and often more than holds her own in scenes with Walt.

So back to this season and this episode...

I get that we're watching how Walter descends that much further down the road to being a master criminal.  The excuse that he was "doing this all for his family" almost seems like a distant memory -- even when he says he's broke (which is mostly Skyler's fault -- but she did it for the right reasons at the time).  And I can appreciate the challenge the show is presenting -- at what point can one simply no longer care about or root for Walter White.

But the downright creepy way he's treating his wife -- actually bothers me more than any attempted or fully realized murder, depraved indifference or indirectly causing the death of hundreds of people.  Walt's not a moron, so he must be able to see just how frightened and fucked up she is over realizing her husband is not simply a meth cook, but a murderer. That last scene in bed -- felt like it was bordering on rape.

So hats off for making me uncomfortable, but "boooo" for making me seriously question my feeling about Walt when there's still so many episodes to go of Breaking Bad.  Or maybe that's the new thing at AMC: where the highest quality shows treat women like shit.

But other than that one note in the closing two minutes of the show -- I loved the rest of it.  
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2012, 07:18:51 AM »

I interpret it as Walt is basically impotent in this world of violence and danger which he has dived into. You'll notice it's only with Skylar he really shows that hard ass side of himself. Maybe Saul too. Otherwise he's been emasculated by Jesse, Mike, and pretty much anyone else who wanted to push him around. I kind of see it like some abusive husband/father who get's shit on at work and comes home and proves his manliness by kicking the shit out of his family. He's getting worse because he get's off on Skylar's fear.

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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2012, 09:18:33 AM »

I find self really liking Skylar. The poor woman has had a lot dumped on her to deal with and clean up in order to protect her family. Why are we so forgiving to Walt for the things he does for family but not Skylar? Well, 'cause Walt is all kinds of awesomesauce I suppose, but that's beside the point.

And to me, IFT was one of her best moments in the series. When she looked Walt in the face and told him she fucked Ted, that was some of the BEST revenge I had ever seen, and when I really started to like her. She basically made him sit down at dinner and act like nothing was wrong while holding inside something that was tearing him up...JUST like he had been doing to HER for so long. He finally got a taste of his own medicine. That sequence was amazing.

So as much as I love Walt, I AM enjoying him go down this path where I'm being conditioned not to root for him any longer. It's really quite fascinating to see in a fictional character, ESPECIALLY for tv. And I'm looking forward to seeing how Skylar responds to all of this when the time is right.

And Walt has to go to NH for some reason right?
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« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2012, 10:14:42 AM »

Yeah, I didn't know people hated Skylar.

I think she's a great character and if Walt's behavior is in any way justified by circumstance then hers surely is.
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« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2012, 10:25:32 AM »

Pssst. 

Skyler (not Skylar) is the way the name is spelled on this series.

Just so ya know.

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« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2012, 10:49:18 AM »

Thanks Scott.
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2012, 11:16:48 AM »

Thanks Scott.

Ha ha! The extra T is ironic in this context. Very droll if you did that on purpose.

And I love Skyler. Great character, fantastic actress.

The last scene last night didn't exactly feel like rape, but it was creepy. My take is Walt is so egotistical now, he doesn't realize how much he creeps her out, and she seemed too scared to say no.

Very well done. Interesting how both episodes ended on a similar note.
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« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2012, 11:23:30 AM »

Really? I think he totally get's it.

"I am the one that knocks!"

"It means I won."

"What are you scared of?" to which she replies "you".

He likes feeling like a tough guy in front of his wife who has hen pecked him most of his marriage.

I'm pretty sure he's going to push him to far and she's going to put him back in his place though. I kind of hope so anyway.
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« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2012, 12:35:24 PM »

Thanks Scott.

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« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2012, 01:49:44 AM »

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« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2012, 10:32:39 PM »

Yeah, it's the henpecking. I hate that.

I think I already love Lydia, though. She's going to be fun.

Mike vs. Hank is going to be good every time out, I'm predicting.
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« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2012, 05:44:07 AM »

Am watching 5.2 right now.....fuckin' A  Thumb's Up
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« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2012, 06:09:02 AM »

I've had two half-hout plus long conversations over the phone with two totally different people about Breaking Bad over the last couple days.  I tell you, I haven't had a show that inspired this level of intense conversation since LOST.  Sure, shows like The Walking Dead, Mad Men and Game of Thrones have been absolutely chat-worthy -- but not like this.

Just dissecting and determining what those opening minutes of the season premiere alone meant -- was liker something straight out of LOST.  Especially as it appeared to be a major "flash-forward" -- far more so than the little bits that started a few episodes back in Season Two.

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If you don't mind indulging me in some all-too-common self-centeredness, I was told something recently that relates to Breaking Bad.  And if you don't like me talking about myself --eh, go dock me, I don't care.

A friend in L.A. (who's been an instrumental part of my current screenplay situation, as he will be one of the producers if/when it gets made) was reluctant to tell me one little tidbit the script recently received in reader feedback.  Typically, we just go through the more constructive critiques -- looking for what I would need to improve.  Compliments are nice, but outside of the overall story or feelings about specific characters or plot twists, they're somewhat irrelevant.

The specific reader is actually a professional writer (he currently works on a reality show and has worked on fictionalized shows in the past). 

Anyway -- there's a big moment that closes the first act of the script.  Essentially, it's the antagonist laying down the law to the captive protagonist.  The "bad guy"  boils life and what led the "hero" to be in his current predicament all down to "choices and consequences".  The closing line of the scene has the bad guy saying "I am the consequences".  I confess, that was one of the moments during the writing process that I sat back and smiled.  Especially as the entire scene was a major bitch to overhaul (the original scene had survived four previous passes, but this time around more than half of it had to be tossed out and totally redone -- which was not fun).

The reader highlighted that exchange of dialogue as one of his favorite parts.  He asked if the writer had ever seen Breaking Bad, as it felt like something that could have been from that show -- and that specific line had a very Heisenberg-ring to it.

That was probably one of the greatest compliments I could ever imagine getting, as I don't think I'm even talented enough to write up a lunch order for the writing staff of Breaking Bad.
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