how fuggin miserable are warner execs right now about marvel movies...

[Scot Eric]

I don't think they're QUITE as miserable as some would like to think they are.  Yes, I'm sure there's rampant jealousy that they didn't try the (successful) experiment that Marvel did, and there has been a major reevaluating of how they will handle their comic book properties from 2014 on.  But the success of any comic book movie helps all future comic book movies (be it DC, Marvel, or another publisher) -- from commercial viability to creative credibility. 

[Gadabout]

So you don't think there's a chance that this is the peak and nothing will quite capture the publics attention like this again for a long time? I don't know anything about the business end, but it seems like this is at least a likely scenario.

[Gardner Grayle]

I doubt it.  This will probably get the big studios to double down and the smaller studios to start looking at comic properties again with a more discerning eye.  A billion dollars in three weeks wil get Blackberries and smart phones world wide to fry with movie execs in a frenzy.

Is Avengers the mother lode?  I dunno.  Scot?

EDIT:  I wish Hater were available to weigh in.   

[Scot Eric]

Gaddy -- I suppose anything is possible, but as I can't think of any previous example, I would seriously doubt it.

GG -- The Avengers will be hard to top due to it being the perfect confluence of planning over the course of several years, even if not all the films leading up to it were that stellar. Having Whedon as the writer and director was probably the most important element overall. We can only imagine what he would have done with a Wonder Woman film (as he was the perfect choice for that since-shelved project as well). But with the right talent both behind & in front of the camera, I have to again fall back upon my "anything is possible".

Good films set the standard.
Great films raise the bar.

[JSayonara]

Y'know, call me mad but Warner's still have GL in play.

Just because it wasn't that good, doesn't mean they can't still use Reynolds/GL as he's at least established in the public eye.

If Man of Steel performs and they're smart, they could quickly get Flash/Wonder Woman/Aquaman/ or whomever in play as the next movie after Supes.

Convince Bale to be Batman again ($$$), use Cavill, Reynolds and actor X and introduce new characters during a JLA flick.

I'm thinking Martian Manhunter and Aquaman would be best to be new for a JLA flick.
Easier to have the first third revolve around them.

It could work, if they got the right director and if Man of Steel is a hit.

[Gadabout]

Dark Knight is not and can not be part of a shared universe. It's impossible, impractical, and illogical  (Can you really imagine Uber CGI goof ball GL hanging out with Bale as Batman? C'mon.)on too many levels. That trilogy stands as it's own elseworld story that shows us Batman as close to" irl" as possible and that's what it should always be.

I think the only way to build a fresh shared DC movie Universe is to bide their time and make it work from scratch. If they try shoe-horning any of what they have done into a shared universe it will smell like desperation to everyone.

Man of Steel could conceivably be the start if they wanted it to be but even that seems shaky. I guess it depends on the quality of the film.

[JSayonara]

Dark Knight is not and can not be part of a shared universe. It's impossible, impractical, and illogical.

Of course it can. This is an imaginary universe.
Batman is intrigued by mention of Superman doing stuff in Metropolis.

Being Batman, he flies over there, has a little fight (he's discovered Kryptonite by now of course) and bish bash bosh...shared universe.

(Can you really imagine Uber CGI goof ball GL hanging out with Bale as Batman?




C'mon.)on too many levels. That trilogy stands as it's own elseworld story that shows us Batman as close to" irl" as possible and that's what it should always be.

Fuck real (I assume that's what you meant).

You can watch the Nolan films without ever having to admit that anything else exists, but for those of us who don't hold them as the "ultimate" movies, I'd happily watch Bale as Batman kick ass in a JLA film.

Don't forget that Batman has always hated "capes".

Remember in Morrison's JLA where he tells Huntress "This is thier world, it gets closer to our's everyday".

That right there is why Bale Batman would work superbly in a JLA flick.
He's the control freak who adapts to everything.

[Gardner Grayle]

I'm not even sure a "shared DC movie universe" is desireable at this point.  It's just fart-sniffing Marvel (again).  I'm still of the opinion that a JLA movie will be a cheesedick POS.  Marvel Comics was created as a "shared universe".  Stan, Jack, Steve, John, Roy and the rest of the boys built it that way.  It's strength is it's homogeneity.  DC Comics is a lot of pieces and parts jammed together over the course of 75 years.  It's strength is diversity.  WB/DC needs to embrace that.  Just make good movies and the rest will sort itself out.  What we don't need are more bad super hero flicks.  What we need are better comic based movies in general.        

[Scot Eric]

Just make good movies and the rest will sort itself out.  What we don't need are more bad super hero flicks.  What we need are better comic based movies in general.        

Bingo bango boomo.   

[JSayonara]

I'm not even sure a "shared DC movie universe" is desireable at this point.  It's just fart-sniffing Marvel (again).  I'm still of the opinion that a JLA movie will be a cheesedick POS.  Marvel Comics was created as a "shared universe".  Stan, Jack, Steve, John, Roy and the rest of the boys built it that way.  It's strength is it's homogeneity.  DC Comics is a lot of pieces and parts jammed together over the course of 75 years.  It's strength is diversity.  WB/DC needs to embrace that.  Just make good movies and the rest will sort itself out.  What we don't need are more bad super hero flicks.  What we need are better comic based movies in general.        

Can't even begin to agree with you there.

Maybe the DCU started as a non shared universe, but c'mon, you can't argue that it hasn't all been working fine since at least '86.

And I might point out, JSA?

Didn't most of those guys have their own comics first?
Then they all got put together in one team...that's a shared universe isn't it?
And long before Marvel even existed I might add

Why is the JLA any different from the Avengers?

They managed to get Hawkeye and Black Widow in the same film as the Hulk.
So why can't we get Batman and Aquaman in the same film as Superman?

And I don't see JLA being a piece of shit at all, done right.

Get a good director, adapt a really big comic book arc (I'm thinking Morrison of course) and go nuts.

[Gardner Grayle]

Can't even begin to agree with you there.

I can live with that.

Maybe the DCU started as a non shared universe, but c'mon, you can't argue that it hasn't all been working fine since at least '86.

Has it?  They tried to reboot at least twice with both being a mixed bag of success and fail at best.  Remember just last year they rebooted a third time and threw out the baby and the bath water.

And I might point out, JSA?

Didn't most of those guys have their own comics first?
Then they all got put together in one team...that's a shared universe isn't it?

Kind of my point about DC.  It took characters from at least two different companies to form the team.  Three if you count Batman and Superman in their first appearance.  And they had their own features, not their own books except for Wonder Woman.  Flash and Green Lantern kinda "graduated" from the team early on.  

Why is the JLA any different from the Avengers?

They managed to get Hawkeye and Black Widow in the same film as the Hulk.
So why can't we get Batman and Aquaman in the same film as Superman?

The League are demi-gods.  The Avengers are ordinary guys who can do extraordinary things.  

And I don't see JLA being a piece of shit at all, done right.

Get a good director, adapt a really big comic book arc (I'm thinking Morrison of course) and go nuts.

 

Truth is, I don't trust WB any more than I trust DC or Mattel right now.  

[Gardner Grayle]

Bingo bango boomo.   

Thanks. 

[Scot Eric]

The League are demi-gods.  The Avengers are ordinary guys who can do extraordinary things. 

What's Thor again?  

[Hyperion]

See, I think we need to step back and consider that DC didn't start off as a unified universe because no one did.  DC was the first to start laying the building blocks of that shared universe.

Yeah, Marvel was able to really do it from the start, but that was after DC had been working on it for how long?

[Gardner Grayle]

What's Thor again?  

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