how fuggin miserable are warner execs right now about marvel movies...

[Benjamin Grimm]

Well said.

Have Paul & Bruce do it.  They know those characters inside and out.

Peace,

Chip

[Gadabout]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/15/what-the-jla-movie-could-learn-from-avengers

IGN weighs in. For those who give a crap.

[pootboy]

guardians of the galaxy?  ANT-MAN???  where's fucking kathy griffin when you need her.  

star-lord and quasar were comics i would only buy at the beach during summer vacation in ocean city, maryland, because, for whatever reason, in the early 80s, they only had comics that were like 18 months old and that nobody else fucking wanted. it was essentially a comic book graveyard. ant-man, on the other hand, i wouldn't have bought with my hard-earned allowance even if it were the only fucking comic on the shelf.

jesus fuck, what are they THINKING?  these are supporting characters on a good day.  deep, deep background supporting characters.  this will be a colossal fucking failure, trying to monetize these fuckers.  avengers has apparently made marvel execs think they can film corey feldman taking a 90+ minute crap in the general shape of captain universe and it'll have a 100 mil opening weekend.

absolute. fucking. morons.

[Griffin]

Ant-Man handled correctly is fucking bad-ass!  I encourage you to watch his origin episode in the recent Avengers cartoon series.  Dude takes out a bunch of guys Predator style.  In fact some of the goons he takes out look suspiciously like a few of the actors in Predator.

[measle]

Eh, I'm with Poot on this, they're going to dilute the license with 12 movies a year.... Honestly, I think most of the Marvel movies thus far are mediocre to begin with..outside of the Iron Man and Avengers the rest were OK to fairly good...

Ant-man could work....maybe, if it's Hank Pym and he becomes Yellowjacket a third of the way through it.

[JSayonara]

Ant Man could be cool, just because it's Edgar Wright.

Guardians of the Galaxy?

I dunno, it could be the Star Wars we all thought Green Lantern was gonna be.

And if you think DC execs are grinding their teeth now...wait until it is and they realise they could have cornered the space hero market if they hadn't fucked it royally.

[Chooch]

I'll disagree with Poot on this one.  Blade was d-list before his movie.  I think the Guardians have enough to love for a general audience.

[fishmilkshake]

The "Guardians of the Galaxy" comic Marvel published over the last few years was the fucking shit. Anyone that read it will say so.

I for one am pumped to see a Giant Tree dude, talking raccoon and the Drax that only miserable old sods can't stand on the big screen.

[Marv-El]

If we can get a Rocket Raccoon on the screen, we can get a Defenders with Howard the Duck. More than Man-Thing, more than Punisher, Howard deserves redemption in a Marvel movie like no other.

Meanwhile, Starhawk, Adam Warlock, Gamora, Moondragon, Starlord, Drax...oh yes.

[pootboy]

http://blastr.com/2012/07/comic-con-gets-first-look.php

apparently they've nightcrawlered him up, having him appear as if from nowhere to sock a bad guy in the kisser, shrink down, then do the same thing to another guy a split second later.  conveniently forgetting it would take him an about 20 minutes to run across the room to the other guy at ant-size.

blade was tolerable in its day.  same as spawn was, or the flash TV show.   because it was like a cold glass of water in the middle of the desert then.  but now the market is saturated, and all the heavy artillery's been shot.  there was a time when B and C-lister flicks, while never loved, were at least profitable--  daredevil, ghost rider, FF, punisher-- but even those days are gone.  sequels to those all died a grisly death. 

good fuckin luck with a gun-toting space raccoon and a guy who can ride bugs.   not to say that i won't happily see guardians in the theater-- it'll probably be kinda cool (can't really say the same for ant-man.  that's a "i have the flu and i've run out of thundarr the barbarian episodes to torrent" rental. )  but by skipping SO far down the list, THIS soon, it's just gonna be a total shitshow, box office wise.  there's got to be a smarter way to go about this, otherwise they're just gonna burn out the public, and the genre, just in the next 5 years, and then what the fuck are we gonna have to look forward to every summer?  20 more "young adult" franchises about mopey tweenage girls?

[John Moores]

I think that judging by the ecstatic reviews Batman is getting, Marvel flooding the screens with fucking White Tiger movies isn't going to help.

[Scot Eric]

Not to mention BLADE is a piss-poor comparison to validate that GUARDIANS OF THE GALAGA, I mean GALAXY will be able to cash in.

1) Blade had a relatively low budget by action/fantasy movies standards -- less than 50 Million.  It was certainly profitable -- did something like $70 million here & $60 million overseas.  What's the budget for something like GOTG gonna be?  $120 million?  $150 million?  $200 million?

2) And then there's the marketing...which will have to be extensive to get GOTG into the public consciousness.  For a movie like BLADE, it was fucking cake. Snipes was already a semi-hot actor -- fairly simple to put a pair of shades on him and have him look all badass.   Again, the vampire killing vampires idea (and this is also before the over-saturation of the market vamp-wise) helps with a tagline or glimpse of a stake or what-have-you.

3) Very few people who saw BLADE even knew it was from a comic book.  Heck, it's almost like using ROAD TO PERDITION in any comic to film conversation, as practically no one knew that at the time either.

4) BLADE garnered an audience because it was also easy to sum up: it's about a vampire who hunts down other vampires.  Period.  Got it, understood, neat-o. Doesn't require the audience to figure out who three four or seven dozen characters are.  Good luck pulling that off with GOTG.

5) BLADE was on the low end of an always profitable mashing of genres -- a little horror, a lot of action with a touch of fantasy.  GOTG -- is Sci-Fi Fantasy.  And how many of those have been overwhelmingly successful over the years?  Not too many; it's a genre that sees far more misses than hits.

But who knows...maybe it could work.  I'm not inclined to completely trash the idea just yet. Whenever possible, I leave the shredding of films years in advance to others -- so one can either praise them for their semi-clairvoyance -- or mock them for their shortsightedness.  Go check out the first couple pages of the original thread for The Avengers -- it's pretty good for a laugh.  At least I've laughed.

But right now, a tangential connection to The Avengers by way of Thanos is not any guarantee of success -- nor is the MARVEL name brand.  So I'd preach caution if nothing else.

Fascinating how folks can automatically think this will work (with no word of a writer, director or anything else that might give one a reason for such confidence), yet mostly dismiss the idea of a JLA movie despite having characters far more potential audience members have heard of.  I know the likely response is Marvel has "earned" that confidence by what they've done, but I'm not so sure.  No name brand (production company or studio) is a guarantee in the movie biz -- not even Pixar.

[pootboy]

i think you may be just a couple cooch-hairs away from sorta agreeing with me.  twice in a week is a little much, don't you think?

frenchie, on the other hand, came a couple cooch-hairs away from making a moon knight joke. 

we know what happens to people who make moon knight jokes, don't we?  or do we need to be reminded?

[John Moores]

Moon Knight was a little too upscale for what I was going for.

[pootboy]

whatever, you just hate super-powered puerto ricans, same as the rest of us, you're just too much of a pussy to admit it.   

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