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« Reply #225 on: May 14, 2012, 11:48:26 AM »

Add Theon Greyjoy to the list of characters that I want to die a slow, painful death. Grin

I wonder who the kids are that they killed, as I don't think they'd have shown just the bodies of Rickon and Bran if they'd caught the escapees.  Good interaction with Tyrion and Cersei, and between Cercei and Sansa.  I'm fascinated by Tywin and Arya's talks, and have to wonder if Littlefinger told Lannister who she was, or is Tywin just slowly breaking her down out of his own curiosity?

I assumed they just killed two of the kids they saw on that farm.

The Tywin & Arya talks have become the parts I most look forward to in every episode.

Maybe they're not adhering to the books -- I listened to enough commentaries and interviews with both the show's creators and GHHM on the S1 DVD set to realize that's almost a necessity.  Then again, I never read the books.   Grin

I would also say that having so many act "out of character" was the point --  for a major focus of this episode was to make all the Lannisters less 2-dimensional and reveal their humanity as well.  Not to be to hackneyed, but people are not simply black or white -- there are shades of grey in almost everyone.  Makes it more interesting for the viewer as well as the actors in an ongoing series.

Whatever the case is -- I love this show.
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« Reply #226 on: May 14, 2012, 11:57:45 AM »

Not sure if the Cersei/Tyrion bit was out of character.  I'm slowly reading book 2 now, and just read the conversation between them after Cersei finds out about Tyrion wanting to ship Myrcella off and they were very similar.  Cersei even cries a bit and Tyrion is unsure about how to go about consoling her.  They cut from the scene in the show right at point where she screams at him in the book.
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« Reply #227 on: May 14, 2012, 01:12:27 PM »

I would also say that having so many act "out of character" was the point --  for a major focus of this episode was to make all the Lannisters less 2-dimensional and reveal their humanity as well.  Not to be to hackneyed, but people are not simply black or white -- there are shades of grey in almost everyone.  Makes it more interesting for the viewer as well as the actors in an ongoing series.

Almost nobody in this series is black and white, book or tv incarnation.  That's not what I'm saying.

With Jaime in particular, later events make a major shift in his outlook and personality.  But even the things he is most villified in his past for become much more understandable when you actually get his reasoning behind what he did (which they hinted at last night).  The killing of his cousin, however, does not jibe.  I thought that entire scene was great right up to that point - and then that just deflated it, IMO.

Not sure if the Cersei/Tyrion bit was out of character.  I'm slowly reading book 2 now, and just read the conversation between them after Cersei finds out about Tyrion wanting to ship Myrcella off and they were very similar.  Cersei even cries a bit and Tyrion is unsure about how to go about consoling her.  They cut from the scene in the show right at point where she screams at him in the book.

I'll admit that it has been quite a while since I read this book, but as I recall in the book Cersei is upset about Myrcella being shipped off.  In the show, she is not only disparaging Joffrey and admitting she has no control over the little monster, but admitting to Tyrion in so many words that the rumors are true (Tyrion would have to be an idiot to think otherwise, of course).  Then Jaime admits it flat-out to Catelyn and Brienne later?   Thumb's Down  Also, how does that scene jibe with Cersei's talk with Sansa about how you should love your children no matter what, to the exclusion of everything else?  There's also stuff from later in the books (which is kind of irrelevant to a discussion of *this* point in the series, I guess) where it is made plain why Cersei hates Tyrion, always has, always will, and also fears him b/c of events when she was young (something I think she is misreading, actually).  Coming events only solidify that hate even more.  I understand that Tyrion at this point in his life would want to mend fences with Cersei if he could, but Cersei would never do so.

Also, unless they change it up real quick, it looks like Catelyn is about to do something she does in the book, but for a completely different reason - and that's just not going to sit well.  I'm really hoping they straighten that out before next week.

And Dany's stuff...

I realize I'm lecturing a little, which isn't my intent.  I am still very much enjoying the show, don't get me wrong.  But I am starting to feel the nitpickiness growing on me the further afield they go, especially after season one was so faithful.  I don't mind it so much with things like Amory Lorch's death, but for the personalities of main characters to feel changed is annoying.

I guess I'm starting to understand how my wife feels about True Blood.   Grin
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« Reply #228 on: May 14, 2012, 01:24:12 PM »

I hear ya.  It's similar to how I sometimes "knee-jerk react" to The Walking Dead.  That's often a problem with adaptations -- when you have read the original first --odds are there will be things (either major or minor) that will leave you underwhelmed, disappointed and perplexed.  You think there weren't fans of The Godfather who didn't like some of the changes made?  Or almost 75 years ago -- fans of Gone with the Wind might have had some issues too!  Bringing it to present day and more comparable examples -- how do you think true Harry Potter fans feel about the movies?  Believe me, we may like them, but we certainly don't love them.

Anyways -- as you've read the books and I haven't -- you actually have more of a foundation and cause for any concerns, nitpicking or critiquing.  And since you've been good about not spoiling stuff, I'll stick to defending things like TDK.  Grin
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« Reply #229 on: May 14, 2012, 01:28:52 PM »

how do you think true Harry Potter fans feel about the movies?  Believe me, we may like them, but we certainly don't love them.

No, we don't.   Grin
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« Reply #230 on: May 15, 2012, 11:16:19 AM »

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There's also stuff from later in the books (which is kind of irrelevant to a discussion of *this* point in the series, I guess) where it is made plain why Cersei hates Tyrion, always has, always will, and also fears him b/c of events when she was young (something I think she is misreading, actually).

I assumed it was because their mother died while giving birth to him. 
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« Reply #231 on: May 15, 2012, 11:42:51 AM »

I assumed it was because their mother died while giving birth to him. 

Partially.
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« Reply #232 on: May 15, 2012, 03:49:25 PM »

Darth -- this is most definitely "for you".  And for all others -- not really any spoilers here for future episodes (at least none that occurred to me) -- so should be safe to read.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/game-changers-the-10-biggest-changes-between-game-of-thrones-and-the-books-20120515

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« Reply #233 on: May 15, 2012, 06:16:05 PM »

Yep, that's good stuff.   Thumb's Up
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« Reply #234 on: May 15, 2012, 07:41:57 PM »

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« Reply #235 on: May 15, 2012, 08:48:55 PM »

It's weird. Haven't read the books yet, but alot of the stuff that isn't in it according to the article is the stuff I really love in the show. The Tywin/Arya relationship, Littlefinger and Renley's expanded roles, Robb Stark's battles getting screentime, etc.

I do agree about Dany looking consistently weak. And from what I've heard from people who've read the books; that's definitely the shows fault. Just from a show standpoint she's the weak link for me. I don't care about her at all and if she died in the next episode I wouldn't really miss her. Though I do really like Mormont. The actor and character is great. Can't say I like the weird city she's in either. Reminds me of something out of the Sci-Fi channel version of Dune and takes me out of the show whenever it's on.
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« Reply #236 on: May 15, 2012, 08:55:47 PM »

I love Dany.  And I think it's the calm before the storm for her character.  Those Dragons are gonna fuck some shit up before the season ends.
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« Reply #237 on: May 20, 2012, 08:32:16 PM »

More good stuff with Tyrion and Cersei.  Poor Roz.  Theon being made to look like a chump by his sister again is always fun. 
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« Reply #238 on: May 20, 2012, 09:01:32 PM »

Looks like next week's episode will be entirely the Battle of Blackwater.   Thumb's Up
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« Reply #239 on: May 22, 2012, 12:23:40 PM »

the books help the show make way more sense, even if for nothing else than the first one mentions how winter lasts for years and people have been born & died without knowing the summer season.

all of a sudden that "winter is coming" thing makes a hell of a lot more sense than it does on the show without that information. 
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